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The Hit podcasters are breaking down Harry Potter, chapter by chapter
THIS week, after eight months and nearly 70 episodes, the podcast Binge Mode will conclude its run discussing every chapter of the seven books in JK Rowling's Harry Potter series. The show's hosts have amassed a cult following made up of newcomers to the franchise and superfans, appearing on Time magazine's rankings of the best podcasts of the year in 2017 and 2018 alongside audio heavyweights such as Serial and Slow Burn.
The show, part of the podcast network for the sports and pop culture website The Ringer, is hosted by the site's executive editor Mallory Rubin and writer Jason Concepcion. The pair originally met while working for ESPN's former website Grantland, where they emerged as the staff authorities on HBO's Game of Thrones.
Following the shuttering of Grantland and the launch of The Ringer, its founder and chief executive Bill Simmons suggested that Rubin and Concepcion create a Game of Thrones podcast in advance of the show's seventh season. They settled on a unique approach, recording an individual podcast for each of the 60 episodes of the series and releasing a full season at a time, allowing for Netflix-style binges.
After finishing their run on Game of Thrones (and facing a two-year wait before the airing of the show's next and final season), Rubin and Concepcion decided to turn their attention to Harry Potter.
They have parsed the text of each Potter chapter, analysing the story's themes, rehashing memorable passages and hunting for signs of foreshadowing. Along the way, they have attracted an intensely loyal audience, with meetups, merchandise, fan art and more than 17,000 members in a Binge Mode Facebook group.
Binge Mode: Harry Potter will conclude a bonus episode taking questions from listeners and discussing the play Harry Potter and the Cursed Child before moving on to coverage of the final season of Game of Thrones. I spoke to Rubin and Concepcion about Binge Mode, the show's rapid growth and their plans for the future. Below is an excerpt from our conversation.
Question: How did you decide you wanted to continue Binge Mode beyond Game of Thrones, and how did you settle on Harry Potter?
Jason Concepcion: We talked about Harry a lot in Game of Thrones, and got a lot of engagement from the people who listened to the podcast saying, "Oh my God, if you guys did Harry, that would be great." And it started to gestate in our minds. It just makes a lot of sense to do the two titanic fantasy stories of our lives. Why not?
Mallory Rubin: I think one of the things that happened during the Game of Thrones run was really saying, "This can be about anything, but the heart of it is about fantasy stories", the fandom that builds up around that, and the community those stories foster and inspire.
Question: How did your partnership develop?
Concepcion: We're both extremely analytical people. We love talking about books, talking about stories, and drilling down and examining what it is that we love about the stories in a real lit-crit kind of way.
I think that's one of the primary pillars of our chemistry. When I think about the way we approach the podcast, if either of us had hosted with a person who wasn't quite ready to approach the material with the level of care and analysis that we each feel that it deserves, it probably would have been a real problem.
Rubin: Scary to think about. Not sure if you can tell, but we're both slightly obsessive by nature.
Question: How many times do you estimate you've read the full Harry Potter series at this point?
Rubin: Oh my god. I have no idea. Just in the time we've been working on Binge Mode, I think we've read them four times.
We read the whole thing through before starting, because we wanted to sketch out the episode breakdowns, what chapters would go where, viewing everything through the lens of theme. When we're working on the episodes, we read each of the chapters, the chunks of chapters we're working on, and then go back and read them again to actually outline.
I think for me, personally, my total is honestly probably in the 30s - which is a lot!
Question: Were you surprised by how quickly Binge Mode: Harry Potter found a dedicated audience, even separately from Game of Thrones?
Rubin: Well, people have done stuff on Harry Potter for a very long time. My freshman year of college, I was just walking around listening to The Leaky Cauldron and Mugglenet podcasts, all the time. Some of my first exposure to podcasting was listening to those podcasts. So people have been doing this for a while.
We knew the appetite for coverage and thoughtful discussion about these stories was insatiable. People love them. The thing that means the most to us, and that we hoped would matter the most to other people, is finding somebody you can talk to about a story who really feels the same way about it that you do.
Did we know it would be like this? No. Of course not. But we knew there was the potential for an audience.
Question: What should listeners look forward to from Binge Mode"in 2019?
Concepcion:Game of Thrones is coming, baby. NYTIMES